JUDr. Inkognito
21.12.2023 07:53
Hele, zamýšlela se nějaká chytrá hlava (a že jich tady pár je) zda je reálné schválení ETF na ETH? Zda ETH odpovídá požadavkům SECu které má na BTC? Sleduje to někdo dopodrobna požadavky SECu? Nebo je ETF na ETH jen náš mokrý sen? Když nad tím přemýšlím mou degenskou hlavou tak ETH a BTC jsou diametrálně rozdílné a i kdyby bylo někdy ETF na ETH tak bych si tipnul že nebude nyní ale za několik let...
#KhubicKcz
21.12.2023 08:10
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@hamakar
Řekni mi, co piješ, a já ti řeknu, jak budeš za hodinu vypadat 😄
Trvalo to 3 hodiny 🤣🤣🤣
#KhubicKcz
21.12.2023 08:11
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@bumelak
jooo nachmelenou vopici tu já mužu😜
Já taky ❤️... Za mě je to best of the best ever beer
Bugsy
21.12.2023 09:13
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@JUDr. Inkognito
Hele, zamýšlela se nějaká chytrá hlava (a že jich tady pár je) zda je reálné schválení ETF na ETH? Zda ETH odpovídá požadavkům SECu které má na BTC? Sleduje to někdo dopodrobna požadavky SECu? Nebo je ETF na ETH jen náš mokrý sen? Když nad tím přemýšlím mou degenskou hlavou tak ETH a BTC jsou diametrálně rozdílné a i kdyby bylo někdy ETF na ETH tak bych si tipnul že nebude nyní ale za několik let...
když bude BTC ETF bude i ETH, moc nejde o to, co chce SEC, ale co si pro lobbuje Wall Street, otázka není jestli, ale kdy . Podle reportu Palm Beach je pět vítězu na BTC ETF, a to jsou mince Eth, Matic, Link, Solana a Avalanche.
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Bugsy
21.12.2023 09:22
A Spot Bitcoin ETF – Not If, but When
Now, you may have your doubts that a bitcoin ETF will get approved.
After all, Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss first filed for a spot bitcoin ETF in 2013… over a decade ago!
And since then it’s been a long, tough road forward.
The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rejected the first spot bitcoin ETF filing in 2017. And dozens of applications since.
Now, the SEC did approve the first bitcoin futures ETF in 2021. But this isn’t what most market participants wanted.
You see, the bitcoin futures ETF doesn’t invest in BTC, but rather BTC futures to track its price. So you’re not holding BTC through the ETF.
On top of that, future contracts have to be continuously rolled over. That imposes additional costs.
It also means the ETF doesn’t always accurately track the market price. And it can potentially result in taxable distributions.
So a futures-based ETF is best used as a trading vehicle.
Now, you may have your doubts that a bitcoin ETF will get approved.
After all, Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss first filed for a spot bitcoin ETF in 2013… over a decade ago!
And since then it’s been a long, tough road forward.
The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rejected the first spot bitcoin ETF filing in 2017. And dozens of applications since.
Now, the SEC did approve the first bitcoin futures ETF in 2021. But this isn’t what most market participants wanted.
You see, the bitcoin futures ETF doesn’t invest in BTC, but rather BTC futures to track its price. So you’re not holding BTC through the ETF.
On top of that, future contracts have to be continuously rolled over. That imposes additional costs.
It also means the ETF doesn’t always accurately track the market price. And it can potentially result in taxable distributions.
So a futures-based ETF is best used as a trading vehicle.
What most investors want is a bitcoin ETF that’s like GLD. One that actually owns BTC. One an investor can use as a foundational piece of their portfolio.
And signs are emerging that we could have one in the very near future.
One sign came in June when asset manager BlackRock filed an application. It breathed new life into the possibility of a spot BTC ETF.
After all, BlackRock is the largest asset manager in the world, with $9.1 trillion in assets under management. And its filing came on the heels of the SEC’s lawsuit against Binance and Coinbase.
Plus, it showed a major shift in sentiment. Larry Fink, BlackRock’s CEO, said clients had zero interest in cryptocurrencies in 2018.
Fast-forward to 2023, and Fink said, “We are hearing from clients around the world about the need for crypto.”
When the CEO of the largest asset management firm in the world says there’s a need for crypto, we should listen.
Then there’s Grayscale Investments, issuer of the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC).
Grayscale would like to convert its trust into an ETF, but like others has been denied by the SEC.
So it sued the SEC, claiming that the SEC’s rejection of its spot bitcoin ETF filing was unlawful. And won.
And signs are emerging that we could have one in the very near future.
One sign came in June when asset manager BlackRock filed an application. It breathed new life into the possibility of a spot BTC ETF.
After all, BlackRock is the largest asset manager in the world, with $9.1 trillion in assets under management. And its filing came on the heels of the SEC’s lawsuit against Binance and Coinbase.
Plus, it showed a major shift in sentiment. Larry Fink, BlackRock’s CEO, said clients had zero interest in cryptocurrencies in 2018.
Fast-forward to 2023, and Fink said, “We are hearing from clients around the world about the need for crypto.”
When the CEO of the largest asset management firm in the world says there’s a need for crypto, we should listen.
Then there’s Grayscale Investments, issuer of the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC).
Grayscale would like to convert its trust into an ETF, but like others has been denied by the SEC.
So it sued the SEC, claiming that the SEC’s rejection of its spot bitcoin ETF filing was unlawful. And won.
On top of that, the SEC chose not to appeal, formalizing the ruling. That means going forward, the SEC can either reject the application on other grounds or give it approval.
We think the latter is much more likely at this juncture. And you can see it in the GBTC discount to net asset value (NAV).
GBTC traded at a 40%-plus discount to its NAV over the first half of 2023. But after the BlackRock news and subsequent court ruling, that discount has fallen to just 8%.
That tells us the market is betting that GBTC will be converted to an ETF.
Most recently Grayscale met with the SEC to discuss the details of its ETF. And subsequently Grayscale updated GBTC’s trust agreement for the first time since 2018.
The changes will improve the operational efficiencies for the anticipated conversion to an ETF.
Other recent actions of the SEC suggest a spot bitcoin ETF is on the way as well.
For example, BlackRock met with the SEC’s Division of Trading and Markets in late November. And it submitted revisions to its application to allay the SEC’s concerns over market manipulation.
Further, numerous reports show the SEC has been working with spot bitcoin ETF issuers behind the scenes on the backend details.
And notably, the SEC met with Franklin and Hashdex in late November and delayed their applications a month before the deadline.
While this appears negative at first blush, it potentially paves the way for all spot bitcoin applications to be approved at once.
We think the latter is much more likely at this juncture. And you can see it in the GBTC discount to net asset value (NAV).
GBTC traded at a 40%-plus discount to its NAV over the first half of 2023. But after the BlackRock news and subsequent court ruling, that discount has fallen to just 8%.
That tells us the market is betting that GBTC will be converted to an ETF.
Most recently Grayscale met with the SEC to discuss the details of its ETF. And subsequently Grayscale updated GBTC’s trust agreement for the first time since 2018.
The changes will improve the operational efficiencies for the anticipated conversion to an ETF.
Other recent actions of the SEC suggest a spot bitcoin ETF is on the way as well.
For example, BlackRock met with the SEC’s Division of Trading and Markets in late November. And it submitted revisions to its application to allay the SEC’s concerns over market manipulation.
Further, numerous reports show the SEC has been working with spot bitcoin ETF issuers behind the scenes on the backend details.
And notably, the SEC met with Franklin and Hashdex in late November and delayed their applications a month before the deadline.
While this appears negative at first blush, it potentially paves the way for all spot bitcoin applications to be approved at once.
You see, if the SEC waited on the decision, the comment period would’ve overlapped with the next deadline on January 10, 2024. That’s the final deadline for the Ark 21Shares Bitcoin ETF.
And it would’ve interfered with the SEC’s rumored plans to approve all the spot bitcoin ETF applications at the same time.
This would eliminate any first-mover advantage for applicants… and give SEC Chair Gary Gensler, who’s known to have lofty political ambitions, a major victory.
Now, this approval date isn’t guaranteed.
There’s a remote chance the SEC could deny the application once again. But after the Grayscale ruling, this is very unlikely.
It’s also possible the SEC approves the 19b-4 filings but delays approving the S-1.
Issuers must get approval from the SEC's Trading and Markets division on its 19b-4 filing and approval from the Corporate Finance division on the S-1 filing or prospectus.
So it’s possible the SEC could approve the ETF but delay its launch.
That would only delay the inevitable, however.
At this point a spot bitcoin ETF isn’t a matter of if, but when.
And it will have huge implications for BTC and the cryptocurrency markets.
And it would’ve interfered with the SEC’s rumored plans to approve all the spot bitcoin ETF applications at the same time.
This would eliminate any first-mover advantage for applicants… and give SEC Chair Gary Gensler, who’s known to have lofty political ambitions, a major victory.
Now, this approval date isn’t guaranteed.
There’s a remote chance the SEC could deny the application once again. But after the Grayscale ruling, this is very unlikely.
It’s also possible the SEC approves the 19b-4 filings but delays approving the S-1.
Issuers must get approval from the SEC's Trading and Markets division on its 19b-4 filing and approval from the Corporate Finance division on the S-1 filing or prospectus.
So it’s possible the SEC could approve the ETF but delay its launch.
That would only delay the inevitable, however.
At this point a spot bitcoin ETF isn’t a matter of if, but when.
And it will have huge implications for BTC and the cryptocurrency markets.
Patrik Patera
21.12.2023 11:11
Pekný ♥️
Whiskovka hezka taky mam ethereove ale muzem casem doplnit.. ale moc eth objednavek neni , kde ty fanousci eth jsou? 😃 <@672035199441305600>
(upraveno)
Tomassino
21.12.2023 11:16
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@KryptoVláďa
Nebo tak?
chci tmavě modrý
KryptoVláďa
21.12.2023 11:20
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@Tomassino
chci tmavě modrý
jak si pan bude prat 🙂
Tomassino
21.12.2023 11:21
Včelkamára
21.12.2023 12:44
A ja hrnek 🤣
Swordfish
21.12.2023 14:43
Snad tuplák ne?
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KryptoVláďa
21.12.2023 15:10
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@Swordfish
Snad tuplák ne?
Vsechno klaplo?
Swordfish
21.12.2023 15:46
ano
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pink&deviant
21.12.2023 15:56
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@KryptoVláďa
Nebo tak?
Aspoň sa človek pri tej rýchlosti ETH neopije.
Včelkamára
21.12.2023 16:27
Dobrej magor tvl na ty fakultě
Kosa Fatty.io
21.12.2023 16:29
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@Včelkamára
Dobrej magor tvl na ty fakultě
Hafo… ma to 10:1
A to strilel i po lidech na ulici? Videl jsem nekde fotku jak je se snajperkou na strese 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Vubec se mi zitra do te Prahy nechce 😂😂
Samej magor
To radsi Prostejov
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Včelkamára
21.12.2023 16:32
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@Kosa Fatty.io
A to strilel i po lidech na ulici? Videl jsem nekde fotku jak je se snajperkou na strese 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Jj, rval to i ze střechy
Pul hodky predtim sem tamtudy prochazel
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Kosa Fatty.io
21.12.2023 16:40
Videl jsem jak lidi utikaji pryc z Karlova Mostu. To je nekde pobliz?
CryptoJanko | Nesa
21.12.2023 16:43
bola pocut strelba v okoli tak preto utekali, Karlov most je tak 500 metrov odtial. Ja som asi po dvoch rokoch som prisiel vcera do Prahy..
iceman Fatty.io |🔥Nesa
21.12.2023 16:54
Masakr. Těžko říct co se mu honilo hlavou
Gali
21.12.2023 17:02
Brutaaal …
Včelkamára
21.12.2023 17:10
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@Kosa Fatty.io
Videl jsem jak lidi utikaji pryc z Karlova Mostu. To je nekde pobliz?
Jj, kousek
Ja makam asi kilak od tama
Petr Langr
21.12.2023 17:16
nene... 🙈🙈🙈
Arnold Rimmer
21.12.2023 18:20
Tvl maras
Nechápu nic
KryptoVláďa
21.12.2023 21:15
kdo házel předloni do aukcí na Kusame @here tak kouknětě, jestli nemáte z aukce PICA. Ja na ně úplně zapomněl a je tam fajn pumpička.. treba <@744861727367102464>
Swordfish
21.12.2023 21:18
mrtvej kanal, kde predseda oznacuje vsechny a rika jim neco o pica
to uz je uplne dno a konec bullrunu
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KryptoVláďa
21.12.2023 21:19
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@Swordfish
to uz je uplne dno a konec bullrunu
po dvou letech zapoenes
a v etheru bude pica dobra 🙂
Kosa Fatty.io
22.12.2023 05:31
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@Včelkamára
Jj, kousek
(upraveno)
Swordfish
22.12.2023 07:00
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 08:17
ether dobre
Deleted User
22.12.2023 08:18
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@KryptoVláďa
ether dobre
ten bude vždycky dobře, ne? 😄
prijde mi docela podhodnocenej, jsem v nem aktualne za vic nez bych chtel, ale nechce se mi prave prodavat, cekam na poradnej bull
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KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 08:23
Pod 2200 jsem tam hrnul
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 08:30
aktu jsem na 56% ptf
Deleted User
22.12.2023 08:34
zbytek kuji 😄
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 08:42
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@Deleted User
zbytek kuji 😄
tvl skoro 😄
Plastex
22.12.2023 08:55
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@Bugsy
Čekám až poteče krev 🙈🙈🙈
A cekas na 15k jako ja?:-D
Bugsy
22.12.2023 08:59
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@Plastex
A cekas na 15k jako ja?:-D
To ne ale čekal bych před halvingem propad +- 30%
Tomassino
22.12.2023 08:59
Nějakej výplach longů by se hodil no.
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Bugsy
22.12.2023 09:00
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@Tomassino
Nějakej výplach longů by se hodil no.
Podle statistik by se to mělo stát, ale uvidíme 😂😂🙈🙈
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Tomassino
22.12.2023 09:01
Petr Langr
22.12.2023 12:35
a ted vsichni takhle sedi.. 😄
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 12:36
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@Petr Langr
a ted vsichni takhle sedi.. 😄
na sezeni neni cas, dnes je jeste pracovni den 🙂
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KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 12:42
ja treba dneska jeste nestih usnout 😄
vecer na streamu budu krasnej
uz druhej den cekam jak curak az i alza priveze troubu na pizzu, ktereni, stoji mi tu kvuli nim prace
potrebujes dve veci - horkovzdusnou pistoli a troubu... jedno bez duhyho ti je k hovnu.. tak mam jenom pistoli 😄
Petr Langr
22.12.2023 13:00
ja si vcera uhnal housera.. prisel mi uplne nezvan a neobjednan... 😄
kdybys mel jen pec muzes mit super obed..
Včelkamára
22.12.2023 13:02
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@KryptoVláďa
na sezeni neni cas, dnes je jeste pracovni den 🙂
U me i zítra na starý kolena 🤮
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 14:01
taky tu jeste drepim
to uz asi ani pred streamem nema cenu chodit domu
Gali
22.12.2023 14:05
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@KryptoVláďa
to uz asi ani pred streamem nema cenu chodit domu
Stream od 20:00 ?
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 14:12
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@Gali
Stream od 20:00 ?
bohuzel 18
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Gali
22.12.2023 14:18
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@KryptoVláďa
bohuzel 18
Ok, diky 🙂
Barrack Odbahna
22.12.2023 18:18
Tvl on už je stream ? Nějaký alert nebo oznámení by nebylo sakra..... 😀
Petr Langr
22.12.2023 18:22
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@Barrack Odbahna
Tvl on už je stream ? Nějaký alert nebo oznámení by nebylo sakra..... 😀
uz neni..
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 21:05
noooo
#KhubicKcz
22.12.2023 21:05
Johny byl vždycky divnej 😄
Arnold Rimmer
22.12.2023 21:05
😀
#KhubicKcz
22.12.2023 21:06
ale netvrdím že bych nezkusil panáčka, dva tři, deset 😄
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 21:07
taky bych to k brcku zkusil 😄
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Arnold Rimmer
22.12.2023 21:07
Jdou z toho míchat celkem příjemné drinky a to skoro se vším, od pomerančového džusu po jablečný mošt. Nebo jen s vodou, perlovou vodou. Naředíš jak uznáš za vhodné, pokaždé to chutná jinak. Spíše to je takové letní osvěžení 😀
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 21:07
ro se nepije cisty?
pink&deviant
22.12.2023 21:08
Adam na streame spomínal crypto ohľadom gamingu na konci o čo šlo?
Tx
KryptoVláďa
22.12.2023 21:08
immutablex
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Arnold Rimmer
22.12.2023 21:08
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@KryptoVláďa
ro se nepije cisty?
Z 99% ne.
Ředí se to většinou vodou.
xrp:796019012143153154 1
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Záleží co sneseš, aktuálně jsem na 1:4, počítám, že tolerance se bude zvětšovat
pink&deviant
22.12.2023 21:09
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@KryptoVláďa
immutablex
Myslel som že je to nejaký midle coin MC 100+
Dik
Arnold Rimmer
22.12.2023 21:09
Jako můžeš to pít čistý, tento má jen 55%
Tak to je jako slivovice
#KhubicKcz
22.12.2023 21:10
to pak snad ani není absinth
#KhubicKcz
22.12.2023 21:10
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@Arnold Rimmer
Tak to je jako slivovice
běžně zapíjím prosecem
(upraveno)
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